Yoda Speaks with Gary Gray – Part 2

Daydream Believers Podcast hosted by Liz Cirelli

This is the second half of the two-part podcast episode, during which I chatted with The Master himself: my dear friend and mentor, Gary Gray.

Gary is an award-winning composer/songwriter/producer/engineer and author of the “The Home Studio Bible.” He is considered one of the top mentors in the entertainment industry and his list of clients include 20th Century Fox, The Disney Music Group, Hollywood Records, and of course yours truly!

He was extremely fortunate to acquire mentors such as Phil Collins, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Chick Corea and other legendary greats and takes great joy in passing the knowledge and wisdom he learned from these greats to those ready to listen.

One of the reasons Gary is regarded so highly in the industry is that he approaches each person as a whole, and does not just “teach.” In fact, as you’ll discover during this episode, Gary will reveal why he considers it extremely damaging to “teach” an artist how to do their art.

Whether you’re in the music industry or not, this is a Podcast you WON’T want to miss. Trust me!

This half of the episode focuses mostly on answering the questions that were submitted by my patrons and the members of my online coaching community, Daydream Believers.

We delve deeper into the one activity that, in Gary’s opinion, defines true success, and will absolutely lead to deep and meaningful happiness that no one can take away from you: HELPING. Helping other people, helping your family, helping the community. Being responsible first to yourself, yes, but for the purpose of helping others as a primary activity in your life.

Gary believes that action is the best therapy, that productive successful accomplishment is the best meditation that exists, that watching someone else do better in life from your efforts is the best medicine ever invented, and that discipline and hard work are the best cure for the soul, the mind and the body.

During this episode, you will hear Gary’s advice on how to deal with what he refers to the Myth-makers and Brainwashers that exist, albeit most of them unwittingly, in the entertainment industry. In particular, we focussed on whether or not you have to be a performing musician in order to be ‘successful’.

We also touch on how to ask the right questions in order to get the results you are seeking – a stumbling block most of us don’t even realise is tripping us up. We discuss the ever-important topic of how to build truly solid relationships and we chatted in depth about what truth actually is.

Gary also shared his insight on how you can take ownership of your past successes to create more success – and he shared his opinions on health and what it means to truly look after yourself.

We also reveal how a typo – a seemingly simple, innocent little thing – could potentially destroy your career…

Here are the questions we cover during this episode:

Do you feel the power of record labels has diminished with the focus on streaming media platforms like YouTube and Spotify? Does this ease of access for musicians improve the opportunity for success and what are the key skill sets needed for success within these new structures?

Do musicians need to be performers to be successful? With YouTube being such a focus for music consumption how important is it to have good visual creative skills to engage with that audience?

If writing for the TV and Film markets with the music library and music supervisor as a targeted audience is it still necessary to engage in social media campaigns and promote your self in the same way as a performing artist?

How do you identify the best music library service for your music? Do they specialise in genres or industry focus?

As a composer is it better to write in one genre as a speciality or be as versatile as possible? Provided quality is good.

Have you advice on packaging music for Library submissions? How many tracks? How many file formats? Promotional images/cover art? Should it all be around a central theme?

As you can see, the second half of this episode is packed with yet more gold!

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If you’d like to get in touch with Gary, feel free to send him an email. Mention you are contacting him through the Daydream Believers podcast: gary@garygrayproductions.com

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